tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7931966923738733513.post3059985392701994053..comments2023-11-26T21:10:30.470-08:00Comments on The Pasha and the Gypsy: News from HypocristanGordon Taylorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03653661471478630086noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7931966923738733513.post-17140718237183842012009-10-23T22:35:30.721-07:002009-10-23T22:35:30.721-07:00Thank you, Anon, for that wonderful URL. I think t...Thank you, Anon, for that wonderful URL. I think the authorities were correct: Page 9 should always be banned, even if it doesn't exist. Or maybe they were reading the minds of the editors: the censors knew what they were planning and censored it in advance.<br /><br />And speaking of taking offense at Nothing, I especially like this headline tonight on Hurriyet News:<br /><br />"Ads criticized for insulting Turkishness with animal heads on humans"Gordon Taylorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03653661471478630086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7931966923738733513.post-71240724163868247012009-10-23T16:41:59.820-07:002009-10-23T16:41:59.820-07:00Hey Gordon, here is another one to laugh at.
8-Pa...Hey Gordon, here is another one to laugh at.<br /><br />8-Page Newspaper Banned for Contents of Page 9:<br /><br />http://bianet.org/english/freedom-of-expression/117806-8-page-newspaper-banned-for-contents-of-page-9Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7931966923738733513.post-38655794190635315162009-10-21T18:37:10.117-07:002009-10-21T18:37:10.117-07:00ECHR: Compensation for Ban of Kurdish Newspapers
...ECHR: Compensation for Ban of Kurdish Newspapers<br /><br />http://bianet.org/english/minorities/117765-echr-compensation-for-ban-of-kurdish-newspapers<br /><br />Turkey Worsened Press Freedom Record <br /><br />http://bianet.org/english/freedom-of-expression/117751-turkey-worsened-press-freedom-recordAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7931966923738733513.post-29969546206641793862009-10-20T20:06:04.458-07:002009-10-20T20:06:04.458-07:00Emre,
Thank you. Yes, that is a very peculiar def...Emre,<br /><br />Thank you. Yes, that is a very peculiar definition of libel. In fact, it's insane. So if someone tells the truth about John, and John is offended by this, then John can file suit with the State Prosecutor and the Prosecutor can tell the truth-teller to shut up. Right? Because everything in the truth-teller's statement has to be totally neutral and incapable (somehow) of not offending John the liar. It's just breath-taking, it's so stupid.<br /><br />Zerkes: Yes, I think we're all saying the same thing, but I wanted to understand it better. And yes, I did read the website that was banned.Gordon Taylorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03653661471478630086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7931966923738733513.post-42048052736324405862009-10-20T14:25:12.853-07:002009-10-20T14:25:12.853-07:00Adnan Oktar, if memory serves, claimed that he was...Adnan Oktar, if memory serves, claimed that he was defamed on numerous Web sites, most notably that of Richard Dawkins. Defamation on the Web is considered libel, right?<br /><br />Freedom of expression is impeded by both outright silly laws like Article 301, and also by a peculiar definition of libel. That the defendant's allegations may be true is not enough to trump the prosecution's argument that he has been offended. Negative statements have to be purely factual; you can't inject any emotion. At least that's my reading of the law.emrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00931870864104747021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7931966923738733513.post-82392757151150112192009-10-20T04:14:48.280-07:002009-10-20T04:14:48.280-07:00@Emre: "Typically someone files charges for l...@Emre: "Typically someone files charges for libel and the court sides with the prosecution."<br /><br />That basically means there is virtually no justice and freedom of speech in Turkish legal system. Did you even look at the banned site???<br /><br />ZerkesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7931966923738733513.post-1992413209301772222009-10-19T20:12:31.736-07:002009-10-19T20:12:31.736-07:00Emre,
Thanks. I know that a lot of this began wit...Emre,<br /><br />Thanks. I know that a lot of this began with court actions begun by private citizens.<br /><br />But do you really mean "libel"? I think of libel as a public statement that defames an individual person and opens him up to ridicule. How does libel in the English sense fit into this?<br /><br />Gordon.Gordon Taylorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03653661471478630086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7931966923738733513.post-46663855047414867802009-10-19T19:06:08.746-07:002009-10-19T19:06:08.746-07:00This article has factual errors. Censorship is usu...This article has factual errors. Censorship is usually not initiated by the government. Typically someone files charges for libel and the court sides with the prosecution.emrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00931870864104747021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7931966923738733513.post-78822853212346904192009-10-18T20:28:54.437-07:002009-10-18T20:28:54.437-07:00Wow. Thank you, Zerkes. I just checked out the Bia...Wow. Thank you, Zerkes. I just checked out the Bianet article and clicked through to expatriates.com. I'm speechless. Why anyone would want to censor that site is beyond my understanding.Gordon Taylorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03653661471478630086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7931966923738733513.post-55955830486368614572009-10-18T18:40:07.069-07:002009-10-18T18:40:07.069-07:00Good one, Gordon. TC has now banned the www.expatr...Good one, Gordon. TC has now banned the www.expatriates.com (it's basically like craigslist.com)<br /><br />Here is the URL to the Bianet article:<br />http://bianet.org/bianet/ifade-ozgurlugu/117669-tib-idari-tedbir-ile-expatriates-com-sitesini-kapatti<br /><br />Seriously, WHY on the earth would someone even do that?!<br /><br />ZerkesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7931966923738733513.post-20895286007117346722009-10-18T17:49:09.886-07:002009-10-18T17:49:09.886-07:00But this is what "an advanced democracy"...But this is what "an advanced democracy" is. You can confirm this fact with Kissingerm, Bill, George, Hillary, and recently Barack. Turkey does buy all a lot of weapons and is a faithful belly dancer serving the US as long as the US pays. <br /><br />Turkey is modeled after Hitler's fascism (hint: Mein Kampf was a best seller in Turkey for a long time) and "it's the freest society" (ask the TSK generals if you want) as long as you obey the sick laws, rules, and deceptions.<br /><br />If you have seen the "Good Kurds, Bad Kurds, No Friends But The Mountains" documentary, you can notice an interesting quote there. A government official is talking about people whose villages are burnt down by the government: "They are free to go wherever they want" Of course, anywhere but their home. <br /><br />ZarokAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com